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Rob's avatar

Ive been around the DoD for a long time now, over 20 years. Worked with every branch, every level of the chain of command. I can say with certainty that for every 1 horrible divorce I witnessed that was due to the husband being trash, I would see 5 or 6 more that was because it was the wife. Ive seen and heard so many stories of men coming home from deployment to find an abandoned home with a foreclosure notice after the wife took the kids and disappeared it boggles the mind. I used to think that it was a military thing, that we were unique, but these days I realize that it's just a slightly more extreme version of the same problems between the genders and marriage throughout the country. All I can do is sit back and SMDH

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Kristin McTiernan's avatar

It’s atrotious. My husband also told me stories of where the husband’s SNCO forced him to leave his own house and go into the barracks when it wa sthe wife who was cheating and/or abusive. I’m not sure if it’s that way in the officer ranks, but it seems to be widespread among Enlisted.

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Rob's avatar

I think the outward effects change as you go up the officer ranks. Seen plenty in unhappy marriages, but once they go past a certain point in their career they're mostly politicians. It's my theory that by then, the setup becomes akin to the Clinton's, both sides hate each other but stay together for various political and/or legal reasons

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BirdOfGoodOmen's avatar

Happened to my Dad. I don't have much contact with him but one time he told me of when my mom spent $23,000 (in early 90s dollars) on clothing in Spiegel catalogs when he was at sea.

Happened previously to my half-sister's dad when he was at sea.

Amazing neither murdered her for that crap.

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TurquoiseThyme's avatar

I blame premarital sex. I have chosen to wait for my husband, and have had some fascinating conversations with men about premarital sex and relationships. One man wanted to tell me his sob stories of his multiple long term relationships with deranged and irresponsible women. I asked him if he would have had a relationship with any of them if he could only have sex thru the gates of marriage. After a pause and some thought he said no. His marriage filter would have filtered all those women out if he had known that he was looking for a wife.

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Kristin McTiernan's avatar

You blame premarital sex for murder? That's a pretty wild take

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TurquoiseThyme's avatar

I blame premarital sex for men selecting a spouse poorly. I know numerous men, that ended up in poor relationships because the first thing they thought of was, do I want to sleep with her right now. And because they were not complete degenerates when the chick wanted to get married they did.

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Scatterbrawn's avatar

Extremely insightful, but I don't think the comment section of a true story about murder is a good place to point this out. No hate, I've done similar stuff.

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Vince Mancuso's avatar

Can I use “pug-faced tomato-bodied deviant” as an insult some time? I can credit you.

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Kristin McTiernan's avatar

Of course, spread it far and wide 😆

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Mark Patterson's avatar

Women commit more DV than men, but the social sciences don't want to make that well known. And women are more likely to be injured when they initiate DV. It is the feminist juggernaut, in education, academia, the media and the government, the perpetuates the image of the needlessly violent man against the innocent defenceless woman.

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S.'s avatar

I'm no sociologist, but my theory is that boys innately understand and appreciate violence- and where it can go, and how quickly it can go bad- better than many women, and so are actually more reluctant to engage in it than women. But that's just a half-assed theory from a cop.

I'm not saying women don't understand violence, but that they are wired to think of it differently.

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Kristin McTiernan's avatar

So true! A big reason some girls behave so badly is they believe no one would dare knock their teeth out. Boys seem to know from birth it’s always a possibility. It’s probably also why many women killers enlist a man to do the dirty work for them

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Mark Patterson's avatar

Do we have figures on how many men are killed by a man requested to do it by a woman in the victim's life?

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Polosebastian14's avatar

Sorry for you bullying. I bully the bullies. " Friend to the friendless"

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Polosebastian14's avatar

I had no idea of juggalo. For a second id imagined it was the female version of giggolo

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Kristin McTiernan's avatar

They're a rare subset of humanity, most commonly found in white working class areas. Most people haven't encountered them

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S.'s avatar

There's a lot of literature devoted to the fact that Juggalos "aren't a gang". And yet, the certainly act like a gang. I've lost track of the number of Juggalos I've arrested for drug dealing, and violent assault. And who have been the others in the drug dealing network? Other Juggalos, of course. Gang is as gang does, to paraphrase the esteemed Mrs. Gump.

And they generally smell bad. I'm not sure what it is about ICP music that hypnotizes people into not bathing, but something's going on there.

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Jeff Walker Books's avatar

I’ll argue the fact that men can and do get more violent in domestic abuse, but, I also believe that a majority of it is also brought on by women. Not that they are the root of all of it, but the fact that they inadvertently trigger or misunderstand men’s mental state in the moment. Both men and women tend to get a tad dominant in a relationship, it can lead to combative personalities and even escalation into violent behaviour. Honestly, it’s become a “he said/she said” finger pointing went arguments come rolling around in the comments. Feminists vs Men is always going to spark a debate, and, neither side is right or wrong in the matter.

This is the problem with so many bashings of either genders, those that want to laud over the other are the ones in denial. They can’t see past their own beliefs and defend the person without knowing all the facts and emotional drama that led to that situation. You’re not in their head, you don’t know what they were thinking, and you definitely don’t know what was involved in their personal lives at the time. Men aren’t as open with their emotions as women are. I think that miscommunication is the key for some of this DV, not always, but probably a good portion of it.

Domination always enters the fray, from men or women, both want to assume “command” in the relationship. But to live in harmony, the real secret to a good relationship is to SHARE the role. It’s better to be together as one, then divisive individuals, both need to realize they are there to be the example of an effective and emotionally sound union.

But, that just the opinion of this lowly male, take however you will.

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Brenthias's avatar

Interesting article. It is incredible what people are able to put up with!

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Polosebastian14's avatar

Brandy EST moche

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Kristin McTiernan's avatar

de verdad

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Sunlight Classic's avatar

I've found your content recently and I really appreciate your honesty on this subject. There is something called the Women are Wonderful Effect where both men and women associate more positive attributes with women than men. I always think about that when I encounter conversations with skewed gender perceptions. Stefan Molyneux has a great take on it. Men and Women evolved as THE apex predators, beating every other species by a mile. Yet many people think only men can be dangerous. We wouldn't have gotten here, beating out Bears and crazy pathogens, unless both men and women could be ruthless.

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Polosebastian14's avatar

No one kicks sand in my face. I once read the campaigns of Napoleon on a beach near Marseille

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Polosebastian14's avatar

Snapped is also on french TV. Chaine 25.

Never watched it. It's presented by an idiot

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Ff's avatar

The female of the species..,,

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Kat's avatar

Feminism is the reason you're able to write and publish silly pieces like this one. Feminism is not, and has never been. "hating men", it is a reaction to the horrific treatment women endure under men.

If you had only bothered to take one look at every crime statistic, from DV to murders, you would realize that the "men are bad" narrative is based in reality. Yes, bad women exist, but it does not change the overall numbers and facts.

I hope you're having a great day with all the male approval you got so far!

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Kini's avatar

If you also looked into statistics you would know that Police *refuses* to register DV against men, even those few who break the shame and even go to Police. And many women cases are lies with no proof just to torture the man for no reason. And women wrote long before feminism.

So basically all of your points are lies and you know you are arguing in bad faith just to keep profiting from the discrimination and demonization of innocent people just based on how they were born. You sexist.

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S.'s avatar

One of the biggest hurdles I faced when I was still an FTO (Field Training Officer0 was convincing young male officers that women could be abusers, too. I'm not saying I had a gifted insight, only that I grew up in a house where my mother abused my father psychologically 90% of the time, and resorted to violence 10% of the time when she felt she could rationalize it.

So, I went in knowing and having lived under female abuse, it just luckily never landed on me. But most people who have never encountered that abuse have been programmed my popular media, and popular media almost never tells them women can be the abusers.

And if there is one thing women are incredibly adept at, is emotional leverage/manipulation. Even to cops. In the women versus men realm of emotional manipulation, its like watching MLB players beat Little Leaguers. There are exceptions of course, but those men are rare, and frequently utter monsters because of it.

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Kyle MacDougall's avatar

"The 'men are bad' narrative is based in reality."

Excuse me, ma'am, I think you forgot to wear your Klan robes. (Not a good look, by the way.)

Statistically, the number of men who are violent criminals is less than one percent of the male population. (The number of violent male criminals is significantly smaller than the number of violent crimes because most crimes are committed by repeat offenders.)

Condemning half the population based on the actions of less than one percent of them is truly disgusting and evil, as well as stupid. Congratulations, Klanswoman. Care to enlighten us with your perspectives on any OTHER groups of people? I'd LOVE to hear your opinion on blacks...

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Mark Patterson's avatar

Women commit more DV than men, but the social sciences don't want to make that well known. And women are more likely to be injured when they initiate DV. It is the feminist juggernaut, in education, academia, the media and the government, the perpetuates the image of the needlessly violent man against the innocent defenceless woman.

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Polosebastian14's avatar

Kristen is an Anthropologist

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Kristin McTiernan's avatar

Fraid not sugar. As a literature major I studied women authors who wrote and were published prolifically before feminism. Take your anti-male bigotry somewhere else. You’re in the wrong place

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