I'm glad you wrote this because I didn't have a clue what was going on. Just kept seeing these weird posts. Also confirms what I've always known. A) Both the left and the right are full of pieces of shit and B) anyone who publicly and constantly claims they are something are always human trash.
I blocked both Stock and Schaffer long ago, but the algo brought me Milo… taking me down the rabbit hole. The sheer number of people who were shocked was thoroughly disappointing
I am sure that you claim to be "somerhing". We all claim to be "something", I guess. If you meant claim to be "something" which they are not, you might be closer to the mark. Hypocracy through out time has always been a human failure. And you are correct if one claims that sex before marriage is a biblical sin. Which must be condemned. all the while engaging in premarital sex with a married man no less, then that person is likely as you so eloquently said" a piece of shit".
Honestly, I trust people *more* not less who dabble in the party scene. It's always the most buttoned-up goodie two shoes types who end up having the most completely bizarre skeletons in the closet. I trust people more who have a healthy balance. Too little partying and you get Pakistan/Middle East where there's no normal dating but there's also pooping on hookers. Too much partying also a problem but frankly we don't have enough of that now. We just have people going out and glued to their phones the whole time.
The lack of moderate partying among the Zoomer set is the defining cause of their overriding weirdness and trouble functioning (imo). It’s why the Pakistani version of gender relations is taking hold in the online right. I hope the trend of more offline living grows instead of fizzles out because these kids are not okay
I think key word in that is "online right." Politics nerds on X are not representative of society at large. If you go to The Spaniard or other party bars in NYC and start talking about raw milk or how we need to "retvrn" out of the cities or that Clavicular goofball, people are going to look at you like you're smoking crack.
Quite the opposite. Decades of degeneracy completely destroyed any socializing that isn't degenerate. And people are starving for something greater and better than having drunk sex with possible HIV haver after getting wasted
But I would not be one of them. I’ve always wanted to ride the downward spiral, to feel the void, to experience oblivion and then coming back from nowhere.
But I’ve always done that with a clearly defined hedonism. I’ve been able to. It’s not the same for alcoholics or other addicts.
And, of course, if you don’t want to it’s not like any of it is health food. Do what you want.
You're proving his point. Enough people like you "wanted to ride the downward spiral" that society has become a downward spiral itself. Degeneracy, dysfunction, decadence, and more are all commonplace now because of people like you rejecting a Godly way of life, and now your sin has spread across society like a disease. It's not "buttoned-up goodie two-shoes" that aren't partying. That's just a loud minority. People who reject the party culture in favour of a disciplined, religious environment are never going to throw it in your face. Just the liars, like Sarah Stock.
It’s difficult to tell where your argument is since you keep moving the goal posts.
Let’s start with the first. People like me made degeneracy common place.
First, if this is the case, I am flattered and will accept your thanks. You’re welcome.
Second, and pertaining to the first, as the argument continued, I pointed out that the default of humanity since at least the Neolithic, was recreational substances. You mention the godly, and the most ancient form of devotion involves sacrifice. If one were to refrain from eating human hair during lent, or as a show of devotion, it would mean nothing since there is no sacrifice involved. You weren’t going to eat human hair to begin with.
If, however, you choose to refrain from something that is in your default, you have successfully found a sign of devotion.
Your argument is one of cold negative judgement, unaware that your own conception of the Good is empty and is forced to exist only because of what you condemn.
This condemns your thesis enough since it is you yourself who condemn a godly way of life by making it an impossibility. By being unable or unwilling to construct a prohibition for your own devotion and sacrifice, and would rather force me to do it for you.
But let us continue. You say that my “sin has spread across society as a disease.” Seeing as how you have made me a god in the form of Dionysus, an Abrahamic patriarch in the form of Noah who brought drunkenness to mankind, or a savior in the form of Jesus who turns water to wine as a party was winding down, I must again thank you for the compliment and for putting me on such a lofty pedestal.
Putting snark aside, you can see here that the religious argument favours me here. Degeneracy was not separate from mankind but part of it. Even from a religious centered perspective, “degeneracy” was not “spread” but already there. In this sense, you betray your own lack of conviction and lack of faith. You refuse to believe what is obvious, what is intuitive, and what scripture and tradition tell you. Instead, you are again forced to act for someone stronger to act on your prohibition for you.
In the final part of your argument, you manifest this more loudly. You assert in three different ways that “People who reject the party culture in favour of a discipline religious environment are never going to throw it in your face” on a public forum, giving to me all the power to control “Degeneracy, dysfunction, [and] decadence” and spreading sin “across society like a disease.”
Can you not see that in your condemnation, aside from making me a god/prophet/son of God, you are negating your own argument and have attempted to throw it in my face? You have, with your own words, negated yourself into something other than someone “who reject[s] the party culture in favour of a disciplined, religious environment.”
You have done this so clearly, one must wonder whether you are a parody account who is agreeing with me.
I have no idea who Sarah Stock is. Apparently a Canadian professional wrestler. I would humbly advise you turn off the professional wrestling and perhaps pick up some Hagel. It may recalibrate your view of society and help you construct an argument that doesn’t inadvertently make you your own target.
I just explained that "do what you want" caused everything to become degenerate and dysfunctional. I doubt you actually need this and people who need this are minority so they shouldn't take priority over majority
I disagree. The lack of partying isn't the reason. A lot of us younger gen z (just turned 18 last year) lost half of middle school to the pandemic and then high school wasn't normal. We lost crucial years that would normally have been spent socializing and hanging out with each other. Plus a lot of us have mental health struggles that makes it difficult to function. I do think that our generation and younger need to be off screens more, but I don't think that is the main factor to what you describe as “overriding weirdness and trouble functioning.” maybe the weirdness, but I don't think for the trouble functioning.
Word. There’s a reason people who curse a bit, drink a bit, speak openly without the condescending HR-speak, and have at least a whisper of a unique style are seen as more trustworthy. Being too “clean” just screams overcompensation. The goodie two shoes types are the ones who have nothing much to offer, so they turn to kissing ass and reporting on others to gain favor with “authority”.
My cynical money is on OnlyFans Trad-wife-themed content. Not trying to be funny or cute, but that's another way she could lean in. It would be subversive, apologize for nothing, and re-attract the misogynistic fetishists love of the angel and whore complex they fantasize about but deny actually having.
Is this a fetish thing on onlyfans??It seems like her best option and prob is more suited for it. She is already living in shame and wants to make money off whatever she can. I would assume these lonely RW men would make her rich.
I don’t know for sure, as I’m a Christian and don’t consume porn, so I can’t really speak to that ecosystem.
Among Christian men, the TradWife seems to be a modern extension/evolution of the “angels and whores” concept. Frankly I don’t wish the fate of monetizing the diminishing returns of selling your youth and images of your body (especially for the aging process) on a pornographic media site that demands more and more extreme content to continue to stay relevant. Your and my assessment can only be proven with time, if she were to stoop to that level, but McTiernan is probably better in her prediction that Stock (?) would go on an apology tour and pivot in some way to the next useful population of grievance performance theater to gin up money and stay relevant.
It wouldn’t only be right-wing men; I’d wager there’s a fair number of liberal men who hypocritically criticize “tradwife” anything and yet would still crave the spectacle of a “trad” woman debasing herself, but wrapping it up in self-righteous moralistic justifications. Terms like RW isn’t really helpful to conversations like these; you have to take a broader perspective on what drives male vs. female psychology. I doubt politics really factors into the average male porn user’s search criteria; it’s just spectacle and titilation.
All of this is Monday morning in White America suburb shit. Ain't no such thing as a "trad hoe". Let me hip you to the philosophy on this.
There is "hoe". This is a 304 basic bust down bitch hoping for a bag trying to work up to ho' status.
There is "ho'". This is a ghetto street bitch willing to get shit and pissed on, taped, raped, and gaped fucking STD laden motherfuckers to a bag no matter how demoralizing with no personal ethics to a minimum amount of money to be degraded for.
There is "whore". These the bitches that understand the assignment with or without a pimp or a whorehouse and fucks flat out for coins. They set the standard. They know what the pussy is worth and they out there on a mission to work their way up the food chain because they coming to slay for the pay.
There is "heaux". Think the Dynasty bitches. This the chick that is discreet, classy, knows the pussy is good and once she gets a sponsor she off the market. The pussy as worth every penny and she ain't got to advertise and only gets the cream of the crop when she out to score. Once you get it you willing to do what it takes to get it again just for the story.
Sarah Stock is just a hoe. Too stupid to be a heaux or a whore and only in her mind thinks she a ho' when she talking loud playing the side chick and saying nothing. The Alt-Right deserves this mockery considering they put Melania, a traditional flagrant hoe's ho' who lucked up on a bag, on a pedestal above Jackie Onassis, who by modern definition was a classy heaux (see Aristotle Onassis).
You could keep this article free so next time the alt right acts a fool you can throw this in their face.
First I am hearing of her and about 99% of most of what’s going on here, but I genuinely hope she truly repents, which would include putting down the camera and mic for good.
The church in the west is too quick to give platform in our desperate attempt to show off the prodigals who return. As if their quick transformation better glorifies God, in reality it just gets more eyeballs and will cause greater damage.
To repent means to turn away, so it will not be true if she works her way back to an audience. And this applies to Elijah just as much as her.
This was amusing piece, but yeah, most of the Trad-Wifers are really stay at home wives/moms with a Work From Home Job. They just don't want to admit it.
Funnily enough, the real trad wives all worked from home. It was called rural living. Being an idle housewife is so post-industrial sub-urban. Imo normalizing work-from-home is the answer to the motherhood vs. career dilemma.
I’d never heard of her until I read this essay. Crazy, and totally unsurprising. I wonder how effective the “tearfully repentant TikTok video” angle is going to be over the next year or so? I can’t be the only person with “crying woman performative video” fatigue, and I don’t even use TikTok. A written explanation/apology would seem more effective to me, but then I’m not a consumer of vertically-filmed phone videos except as shared by other people on social media. I guess if she wants to communicate to her audience, or potential audience, then she’s going to have to appeal to the masses who get their information via 60 second performative video clips.
As a guy, I feel like I quickly saw the trad wife lifestyle as incredibly depressing.
Which is why most get caught up in an MLM. Trying to feel important in some capacity, outside their family, ultimately destroying their finances.
I don’t know why the 20s DINK lifestyle isn’t taking off. If you both work somewhat lucrative jobs, full time, with a cheap apartment, you can quickly accumulate a fun lifestyle by your 30s.
Then you can decide to have fun together or a family. And honestly, from a finance perspective, it’s so lucrative, that if you push it to 40-45, you can just pay for surrogacy or adoption.
Our economy values compounding your labor early in your life. Stop wasting that on kids and locking down a woman. I feel like that’s an easy recipe for your wife to hate you, manipulate you and divorce you.
No wonder Boomers hate their wife. They married the first women they had sex with and had to live them forever.
It's fictional. Boomers got Free Love and No Fault Divorce. Their *parents* got virgin-until-marriage, but also: you leave with the one who brung you.
Boomer relationships fail not because of virginity before marriage but because of the institutionalised work-for-comfort trade. In men that produced stagnancy; the women just realised at menopause that it was a con.
For the boomer economy, there were plenty of women who enjoyed that lifestyle. The man could support a wife and kids, all while saving for retirement.
But obviously society realized that roles shouldn’t be forced by gender. I believe that some nature will be present (women choosing to be homemakers a bit more than men statistically), but allowing for the outliers to live how they choose.
Today we are just going through the growing pains of equality. Men aren’t expected to be financially stable, they are now more like women in the 1960s. You have to be attractive and be a partner more than a salary.
> there were plenty of women who enjoyed that lifestyle.
That’s true in comparison to later generations, YC, but less true in comparison to prior generations. For example, in the Silent Generation, Labour Force Participation among married women was around 30-35% in the 1960s, and only 27.6% of mothers worked.
By the 1970s-80s, Boomer wives’ Labour Force Participation leapt from 37.7% in 1960 to 51.5% in 1980, so working wives eventually became the majority (hence the ‘latchkey kids’ of Gen X.) Female LFP might have contributed to greater Boomer divorce rates (it’s hard to imagine that it wouldn’t), but the significant phenomenon I pointed to was also the so-called ‘grey divorce’, which was and is, Boomer-led.
In the US in 2019, some 36% of divorces were adults aged 50 and over, up from 9% in 1990. One in four divorces now involves someone aged 65 and over. 34% of over-50s divorces are marriages that lasted longer than 30 years.
So it’s not purely economic. It’d be fair to link it to change of relationship around child-raising status, and just from the people of my acquaintanceship in that age-group, I think it has a lot to do with different personal growth priorities too — especially in the middle classes.
None of this is intended to be a comment about the viability of a modern homemaking role for a young woman. I think what that role means, has always been in flux. Every generation mythologises their traditions. At the creaking end of Gen X myself, I’m content to wait until I’m told what ‘tradwife’ means by generations younger than mine, rather than try to guess what it might mean, or dictate what it ‘should’ mean.
Not good. There are women who cannot have children, or who waited too long and refgret waiting, where this may be an understandable option. But the Church (I am Orthodox Christian) encourages everyone, including Priests, to have children. Indeed, you have to be married first before being a Priest in Orthodoxy. For the laity and clergy, starting a family early in life is a blessing. If you wait too long, you are not blessed with grandchildren before you die. Grandchildren are a blessing from God ☦️
Thanks to RethugliKKKon policies, since Reagan most of the created wealth has gone straight upward to the oligarchs, gutting the middle class. Young people can't afford to buy a home, let alone think about having children, if they want them. And I'm Orthodox, but knew at age 11 that I NEVER wanted to be pregnant and made damned sure I never was!!!
No loss at ALL, and a wonderful gain not putting my body through that grim experience, or all the agita that follows. Other womens' infertility is not my problem, and to tell other women they missed out on having children is presumptuous as hell!!
This is the most neoliberal take on life I’ve seen all day. Waiting till 40s for kids then using your own money saved on surrogacy ? What in the brave new world is this?
Yes but life’s happiness isn’t determined by purely material luxury. And there are serious downsides to being an older parent. Our financial system is fucked , because this is what it rewards. Also, it depends on most people not making this choice, because less people means less growth overall.
Oh no our system rewards using your most valuable resource, your labor, early in your life when you are most productive, for gain later in life????
That’s a great system, what do you want a welfare state?
We just have a crumbling economy at the moment, but over the long term this system has worked amazing for humanity. We obviously need to fix some issues but we will.
Capitalism was never sustainable, infinite growth was never possible. It’s unlikely foundational issues can or will be fixed. The future is economic collapse, followed by sectarian conflict.
Even if forever exponential isn’t possible… the life we created today with capitalism is pretty freaking amazing. I live like a king for a lifestyle that would be considered lower middle class.
But as an investor I see areas where growth is still possible. Maybe if you commit yourself to something you can see how improvements are possible.
there's no such thing as a "cheap apartment" especially in the big cities. I know two single now engaged 30s folk living in Boston and their apartment costs more than my condo mortgage plus monthly fees. So despite their "somewhat lucrative jobs" they're not accumulating a fun lifestyle or family.
DINK lifestyle isn't taking off because it's anti-human biology. Women are the most fertile between 18-24. And while it is noble to adopt, if you are able having your own biological children is far superior.
Nothing worse than feigned morality, from the anarchists collateral damage martyrs in Minnesota to private jets on the runway at DAVOS. Every generation deals with a new crop of grifters, which sadly, is how we are built. It is literally in our DNA. Developmental psychologists will also tell you infants are wired to trust—they can't survive without it. Most interactions in our lives are built around "trust," but I think it was God who said, "Go forward and trust, but verify."
Grifting is in our DNA? I've never heard that, and it hasn't been my experience in the world. I'm not saying you're wrong or trying to make you feel bad — just offering a little hope! Grifting and moral hypocrisy aren't inevitable actions or an inevitable part of the human condition. Maybe it's harder to resist for some? None of us are perfect.
I’ve never heard anyone say “grifting is in our DNA” but I believe that to be completely true. Organized religion/Christianity alone is proof of that statement. So yes, you’ve been grifted. I do believe you aren’t a grifter though along with a majority of people in this world.
There's a lot of good takeaways to walk away from this article with, lot of truth bombs and wisdom scattered throughout for everyone who still believes in what they see on their screens and who isn't a "world-weary GWOT guys who aren’t surprised by nothing no more" like us haha. I particularly like the note about not messing around with Milo. For all the man's faults, and boy there are many, he's typically spot on with his assessment of people.
Something I personally will take away from this article is the realization that we and the South Koreans are not so different. For them, its the obsessive parasocial relationships with their various K-Pop stars, and for us its apparently the same sort of thing but with our media personalities. And its a both sides of the aisle kind of thing. Be you based or be you woke, whichever you present yourself as, the gravy train only keeps rolling for as long as you can keep the kayfabe up and keep your actual lifestyle hidden from your audience.
I think it's telling that the only big name media influencer out there who has made it big while sharing practically everything with their audience is "The Roach King" himself, Asmongold.
I will definitely be citing this essay for my own come Monday's publication deadline, though it will not be about the scandal per se, but how the democratization of the internet has lead to the revelation of personal scandal on a public stage.
Whole I don’t think she’s blameless, the common denominator in a lot of this seems to be more Elijah than anyone. I feel sorry for her husband, who definitely did not do anything wrong.
And now Shaffer family torn up too. I feel for the wife and kids, but I heard that audio of him berating her. My wife would have divorced me 45 seconds in for talking to her that way
Two grifters get got. Tell as old as time. The only thing I dislike about this is that most of the focus is on Stock while Elijah cheated with multiple women and was horrid to his wife. Why does he get a the equivalent of a footnote compared to her? This isn’t a defensive of her so much as a call to roast Elijah more.
And it needs to be said that this is the kind of trainwreck (and the train was loaded with dumpsters, which were on fire) that you get blindsided with when you wear a particular set of blinders called "no enemies to the right."
I'm glad you wrote this because I didn't have a clue what was going on. Just kept seeing these weird posts. Also confirms what I've always known. A) Both the left and the right are full of pieces of shit and B) anyone who publicly and constantly claims they are something are always human trash.
I blocked both Stock and Schaffer long ago, but the algo brought me Milo… taking me down the rabbit hole. The sheer number of people who were shocked was thoroughly disappointing
Milo is a good guide both into and out of the rabbit holes.
As was said elsewhere, you only have to fear Milo if you are dishonest about yourself.
Case in point.
https://x.com/Nero/status/2019143853710930318
His last few interviews have been great. And yeah. When BB was like I will never mess with Candace or Milo I lmao
Milo is a freemason and he dares not come at me. https://www.thekurganblog.com/milo-yiannopoulous-the-freemasonic-response-with-emails-this-time/
People were shocked because they wanted to believe, even if they knew better.
I would barely have known any of this exists if not for this article. Thank you? 😅😆
I am sure that you claim to be "somerhing". We all claim to be "something", I guess. If you meant claim to be "something" which they are not, you might be closer to the mark. Hypocracy through out time has always been a human failure. And you are correct if one claims that sex before marriage is a biblical sin. Which must be condemned. all the while engaging in premarital sex with a married man no less, then that person is likely as you so eloquently said" a piece of shit".
Honestly, I trust people *more* not less who dabble in the party scene. It's always the most buttoned-up goodie two shoes types who end up having the most completely bizarre skeletons in the closet. I trust people more who have a healthy balance. Too little partying and you get Pakistan/Middle East where there's no normal dating but there's also pooping on hookers. Too much partying also a problem but frankly we don't have enough of that now. We just have people going out and glued to their phones the whole time.
The lack of moderate partying among the Zoomer set is the defining cause of their overriding weirdness and trouble functioning (imo). It’s why the Pakistani version of gender relations is taking hold in the online right. I hope the trend of more offline living grows instead of fizzles out because these kids are not okay
I think key word in that is "online right." Politics nerds on X are not representative of society at large. If you go to The Spaniard or other party bars in NYC and start talking about raw milk or how we need to "retvrn" out of the cities or that Clavicular goofball, people are going to look at you like you're smoking crack.
Quite the opposite. Decades of degeneracy completely destroyed any socializing that isn't degenerate. And people are starving for something greater and better than having drunk sex with possible HIV haver after getting wasted
There are some people that need this.
But I would not be one of them. I’ve always wanted to ride the downward spiral, to feel the void, to experience oblivion and then coming back from nowhere.
But I’ve always done that with a clearly defined hedonism. I’ve been able to. It’s not the same for alcoholics or other addicts.
And, of course, if you don’t want to it’s not like any of it is health food. Do what you want.
You're proving his point. Enough people like you "wanted to ride the downward spiral" that society has become a downward spiral itself. Degeneracy, dysfunction, decadence, and more are all commonplace now because of people like you rejecting a Godly way of life, and now your sin has spread across society like a disease. It's not "buttoned-up goodie two-shoes" that aren't partying. That's just a loud minority. People who reject the party culture in favour of a disciplined, religious environment are never going to throw it in your face. Just the liars, like Sarah Stock.
It’s difficult to tell where your argument is since you keep moving the goal posts.
Let’s start with the first. People like me made degeneracy common place.
First, if this is the case, I am flattered and will accept your thanks. You’re welcome.
Second, and pertaining to the first, as the argument continued, I pointed out that the default of humanity since at least the Neolithic, was recreational substances. You mention the godly, and the most ancient form of devotion involves sacrifice. If one were to refrain from eating human hair during lent, or as a show of devotion, it would mean nothing since there is no sacrifice involved. You weren’t going to eat human hair to begin with.
If, however, you choose to refrain from something that is in your default, you have successfully found a sign of devotion.
Your argument is one of cold negative judgement, unaware that your own conception of the Good is empty and is forced to exist only because of what you condemn.
This condemns your thesis enough since it is you yourself who condemn a godly way of life by making it an impossibility. By being unable or unwilling to construct a prohibition for your own devotion and sacrifice, and would rather force me to do it for you.
But let us continue. You say that my “sin has spread across society as a disease.” Seeing as how you have made me a god in the form of Dionysus, an Abrahamic patriarch in the form of Noah who brought drunkenness to mankind, or a savior in the form of Jesus who turns water to wine as a party was winding down, I must again thank you for the compliment and for putting me on such a lofty pedestal.
Putting snark aside, you can see here that the religious argument favours me here. Degeneracy was not separate from mankind but part of it. Even from a religious centered perspective, “degeneracy” was not “spread” but already there. In this sense, you betray your own lack of conviction and lack of faith. You refuse to believe what is obvious, what is intuitive, and what scripture and tradition tell you. Instead, you are again forced to act for someone stronger to act on your prohibition for you.
In the final part of your argument, you manifest this more loudly. You assert in three different ways that “People who reject the party culture in favour of a discipline religious environment are never going to throw it in your face” on a public forum, giving to me all the power to control “Degeneracy, dysfunction, [and] decadence” and spreading sin “across society like a disease.”
Can you not see that in your condemnation, aside from making me a god/prophet/son of God, you are negating your own argument and have attempted to throw it in my face? You have, with your own words, negated yourself into something other than someone “who reject[s] the party culture in favour of a disciplined, religious environment.”
You have done this so clearly, one must wonder whether you are a parody account who is agreeing with me.
I have no idea who Sarah Stock is. Apparently a Canadian professional wrestler. I would humbly advise you turn off the professional wrestling and perhaps pick up some Hagel. It may recalibrate your view of society and help you construct an argument that doesn’t inadvertently make you your own target.
That was a beautiful takedown
I just explained that "do what you want" caused everything to become degenerate and dysfunctional. I doubt you actually need this and people who need this are minority so they shouldn't take priority over majority
I disagree. The lack of partying isn't the reason. A lot of us younger gen z (just turned 18 last year) lost half of middle school to the pandemic and then high school wasn't normal. We lost crucial years that would normally have been spent socializing and hanging out with each other. Plus a lot of us have mental health struggles that makes it difficult to function. I do think that our generation and younger need to be off screens more, but I don't think that is the main factor to what you describe as “overriding weirdness and trouble functioning.” maybe the weirdness, but I don't think for the trouble functioning.
Word. There’s a reason people who curse a bit, drink a bit, speak openly without the condescending HR-speak, and have at least a whisper of a unique style are seen as more trustworthy. Being too “clean” just screams overcompensation. The goodie two shoes types are the ones who have nothing much to offer, so they turn to kissing ass and reporting on others to gain favor with “authority”.
“Dabble?” May seem obvious but like what?
My cynical money is on OnlyFans Trad-wife-themed content. Not trying to be funny or cute, but that's another way she could lean in. It would be subversive, apologize for nothing, and re-attract the misogynistic fetishists love of the angel and whore complex they fantasize about but deny actually having.
A possibility but Sarah knows how short lived that gravy train is. Whatever the pivot is she’ll be looking for long term adoration, I suspect
Is this a fetish thing on onlyfans??It seems like her best option and prob is more suited for it. She is already living in shame and wants to make money off whatever she can. I would assume these lonely RW men would make her rich.
I don’t know for sure, as I’m a Christian and don’t consume porn, so I can’t really speak to that ecosystem.
Among Christian men, the TradWife seems to be a modern extension/evolution of the “angels and whores” concept. Frankly I don’t wish the fate of monetizing the diminishing returns of selling your youth and images of your body (especially for the aging process) on a pornographic media site that demands more and more extreme content to continue to stay relevant. Your and my assessment can only be proven with time, if she were to stoop to that level, but McTiernan is probably better in her prediction that Stock (?) would go on an apology tour and pivot in some way to the next useful population of grievance performance theater to gin up money and stay relevant.
It wouldn’t only be right-wing men; I’d wager there’s a fair number of liberal men who hypocritically criticize “tradwife” anything and yet would still crave the spectacle of a “trad” woman debasing herself, but wrapping it up in self-righteous moralistic justifications. Terms like RW isn’t really helpful to conversations like these; you have to take a broader perspective on what drives male vs. female psychology. I doubt politics really factors into the average male porn user’s search criteria; it’s just spectacle and titilation.
In a world of narratives, poses, and masks, a story writer’s hostile interest is something to be feared.
But the rest of us find it entertaining and insightful.
Like a shit sandwich on schadenfreude wry...
All of this is Monday morning in White America suburb shit. Ain't no such thing as a "trad hoe". Let me hip you to the philosophy on this.
There is "hoe". This is a 304 basic bust down bitch hoping for a bag trying to work up to ho' status.
There is "ho'". This is a ghetto street bitch willing to get shit and pissed on, taped, raped, and gaped fucking STD laden motherfuckers to a bag no matter how demoralizing with no personal ethics to a minimum amount of money to be degraded for.
There is "whore". These the bitches that understand the assignment with or without a pimp or a whorehouse and fucks flat out for coins. They set the standard. They know what the pussy is worth and they out there on a mission to work their way up the food chain because they coming to slay for the pay.
There is "heaux". Think the Dynasty bitches. This the chick that is discreet, classy, knows the pussy is good and once she gets a sponsor she off the market. The pussy as worth every penny and she ain't got to advertise and only gets the cream of the crop when she out to score. Once you get it you willing to do what it takes to get it again just for the story.
Sarah Stock is just a hoe. Too stupid to be a heaux or a whore and only in her mind thinks she a ho' when she talking loud playing the side chick and saying nothing. The Alt-Right deserves this mockery considering they put Melania, a traditional flagrant hoe's ho' who lucked up on a bag, on a pedestal above Jackie Onassis, who by modern definition was a classy heaux (see Aristotle Onassis).
You could keep this article free so next time the alt right acts a fool you can throw this in their face.
I switched my sub from Fictional Influence to Black Market Fiction because I thought it was more aligned and I figured more money would pass through.
Tia's heauxonomy though... just about worth a month's sub right there.
I will use your classification in the future when I am not with polite company. How do you want to be cited?
---- Tia Ja'nae, Articulate Madness
First I am hearing of her and about 99% of most of what’s going on here, but I genuinely hope she truly repents, which would include putting down the camera and mic for good.
The church in the west is too quick to give platform in our desperate attempt to show off the prodigals who return. As if their quick transformation better glorifies God, in reality it just gets more eyeballs and will cause greater damage.
To repent means to turn away, so it will not be true if she works her way back to an audience. And this applies to Elijah just as much as her.
This was amusing piece, but yeah, most of the Trad-Wifers are really stay at home wives/moms with a Work From Home Job. They just don't want to admit it.
Funnily enough, the real trad wives all worked from home. It was called rural living. Being an idle housewife is so post-industrial sub-urban. Imo normalizing work-from-home is the answer to the motherhood vs. career dilemma.
I’d never heard of her until I read this essay. Crazy, and totally unsurprising. I wonder how effective the “tearfully repentant TikTok video” angle is going to be over the next year or so? I can’t be the only person with “crying woman performative video” fatigue, and I don’t even use TikTok. A written explanation/apology would seem more effective to me, but then I’m not a consumer of vertically-filmed phone videos except as shared by other people on social media. I guess if she wants to communicate to her audience, or potential audience, then she’s going to have to appeal to the masses who get their information via 60 second performative video clips.
As a guy, I feel like I quickly saw the trad wife lifestyle as incredibly depressing.
Which is why most get caught up in an MLM. Trying to feel important in some capacity, outside their family, ultimately destroying their finances.
I don’t know why the 20s DINK lifestyle isn’t taking off. If you both work somewhat lucrative jobs, full time, with a cheap apartment, you can quickly accumulate a fun lifestyle by your 30s.
Then you can decide to have fun together or a family. And honestly, from a finance perspective, it’s so lucrative, that if you push it to 40-45, you can just pay for surrogacy or adoption.
Our economy values compounding your labor early in your life. Stop wasting that on kids and locking down a woman. I feel like that’s an easy recipe for your wife to hate you, manipulate you and divorce you.
No wonder Boomers hate their wife. They married the first women they had sex with and had to live them forever.
Possibly the most sane comment I’ve ever seen online 🙌🏻
It's fictional. Boomers got Free Love and No Fault Divorce. Their *parents* got virgin-until-marriage, but also: you leave with the one who brung you.
Boomer relationships fail not because of virginity before marriage but because of the institutionalised work-for-comfort trade. In men that produced stagnancy; the women just realised at menopause that it was a con.
For the boomer economy, there were plenty of women who enjoyed that lifestyle. The man could support a wife and kids, all while saving for retirement.
But obviously society realized that roles shouldn’t be forced by gender. I believe that some nature will be present (women choosing to be homemakers a bit more than men statistically), but allowing for the outliers to live how they choose.
Today we are just going through the growing pains of equality. Men aren’t expected to be financially stable, they are now more like women in the 1960s. You have to be attractive and be a partner more than a salary.
> there were plenty of women who enjoyed that lifestyle.
That’s true in comparison to later generations, YC, but less true in comparison to prior generations. For example, in the Silent Generation, Labour Force Participation among married women was around 30-35% in the 1960s, and only 27.6% of mothers worked.
By the 1970s-80s, Boomer wives’ Labour Force Participation leapt from 37.7% in 1960 to 51.5% in 1980, so working wives eventually became the majority (hence the ‘latchkey kids’ of Gen X.) Female LFP might have contributed to greater Boomer divorce rates (it’s hard to imagine that it wouldn’t), but the significant phenomenon I pointed to was also the so-called ‘grey divorce’, which was and is, Boomer-led.
In the US in 2019, some 36% of divorces were adults aged 50 and over, up from 9% in 1990. One in four divorces now involves someone aged 65 and over. 34% of over-50s divorces are marriages that lasted longer than 30 years.
So it’s not purely economic. It’d be fair to link it to change of relationship around child-raising status, and just from the people of my acquaintanceship in that age-group, I think it has a lot to do with different personal growth priorities too — especially in the middle classes.
None of this is intended to be a comment about the viability of a modern homemaking role for a young woman. I think what that role means, has always been in flux. Every generation mythologises their traditions. At the creaking end of Gen X myself, I’m content to wait until I’m told what ‘tradwife’ means by generations younger than mine, rather than try to guess what it might mean, or dictate what it ‘should’ mean.
"Just pay for surrogacy or adoption."
Not good. There are women who cannot have children, or who waited too long and refgret waiting, where this may be an understandable option. But the Church (I am Orthodox Christian) encourages everyone, including Priests, to have children. Indeed, you have to be married first before being a Priest in Orthodoxy. For the laity and clergy, starting a family early in life is a blessing. If you wait too long, you are not blessed with grandchildren before you die. Grandchildren are a blessing from God ☦️
Thanks to RethugliKKKon policies, since Reagan most of the created wealth has gone straight upward to the oligarchs, gutting the middle class. Young people can't afford to buy a home, let alone think about having children, if they want them. And I'm Orthodox, but knew at age 11 that I NEVER wanted to be pregnant and made damned sure I never was!!!
What a terrible loss for your spirit! 😪☦️ There are women who would give anything to have babies of their own, but cannot for a variety of reasons.
No loss at ALL, and a wonderful gain not putting my body through that grim experience, or all the agita that follows. Other womens' infertility is not my problem, and to tell other women they missed out on having children is presumptuous as hell!!
This is the most neoliberal take on life I’ve seen all day. Waiting till 40s for kids then using your own money saved on surrogacy ? What in the brave new world is this?
With the way our financial system works, that lifestyle is rewarded.
Saving a majority of your income in your 20s, can afford you that choice in your 40s. Along with a better lifestyle.
Yes but life’s happiness isn’t determined by purely material luxury. And there are serious downsides to being an older parent. Our financial system is fucked , because this is what it rewards. Also, it depends on most people not making this choice, because less people means less growth overall.
Oh no our system rewards using your most valuable resource, your labor, early in your life when you are most productive, for gain later in life????
That’s a great system, what do you want a welfare state?
We just have a crumbling economy at the moment, but over the long term this system has worked amazing for humanity. We obviously need to fix some issues but we will.
Capitalism was never sustainable, infinite growth was never possible. It’s unlikely foundational issues can or will be fixed. The future is economic collapse, followed by sectarian conflict.
Idk how yall live with this mindset
Even if forever exponential isn’t possible… the life we created today with capitalism is pretty freaking amazing. I live like a king for a lifestyle that would be considered lower middle class.
But as an investor I see areas where growth is still possible. Maybe if you commit yourself to something you can see how improvements are possible.
there's no such thing as a "cheap apartment" especially in the big cities. I know two single now engaged 30s folk living in Boston and their apartment costs more than my condo mortgage plus monthly fees. So despite their "somewhat lucrative jobs" they're not accumulating a fun lifestyle or family.
DINK lifestyle isn't taking off because it's anti-human biology. Women are the most fertile between 18-24. And while it is noble to adopt, if you are able having your own biological children is far superior.
Nothing worse than feigned morality, from the anarchists collateral damage martyrs in Minnesota to private jets on the runway at DAVOS. Every generation deals with a new crop of grifters, which sadly, is how we are built. It is literally in our DNA. Developmental psychologists will also tell you infants are wired to trust—they can't survive without it. Most interactions in our lives are built around "trust," but I think it was God who said, "Go forward and trust, but verify."
Grifting is in our DNA? I've never heard that, and it hasn't been my experience in the world. I'm not saying you're wrong or trying to make you feel bad — just offering a little hope! Grifting and moral hypocrisy aren't inevitable actions or an inevitable part of the human condition. Maybe it's harder to resist for some? None of us are perfect.
I’ve never heard anyone say “grifting is in our DNA” but I believe that to be completely true. Organized religion/Christianity alone is proof of that statement. So yes, you’ve been grifted. I do believe you aren’t a grifter though along with a majority of people in this world.
There's a lot of good takeaways to walk away from this article with, lot of truth bombs and wisdom scattered throughout for everyone who still believes in what they see on their screens and who isn't a "world-weary GWOT guys who aren’t surprised by nothing no more" like us haha. I particularly like the note about not messing around with Milo. For all the man's faults, and boy there are many, he's typically spot on with his assessment of people.
Something I personally will take away from this article is the realization that we and the South Koreans are not so different. For them, its the obsessive parasocial relationships with their various K-Pop stars, and for us its apparently the same sort of thing but with our media personalities. And its a both sides of the aisle kind of thing. Be you based or be you woke, whichever you present yourself as, the gravy train only keeps rolling for as long as you can keep the kayfabe up and keep your actual lifestyle hidden from your audience.
I think it's telling that the only big name media influencer out there who has made it big while sharing practically everything with their audience is "The Roach King" himself, Asmongold.
Man, that was some solid analysis. Can I use this for an essay?
Citations always welcome 🤗
I will definitely be citing this essay for my own come Monday's publication deadline, though it will not be about the scandal per se, but how the democratization of the internet has lead to the revelation of personal scandal on a public stage.
She's either going to disappear or go lib.
Any lib pivot will be painful to watch. First rate cringe
She is already a Lib. It was an act meant to suck righties in.
What we *want* to see clouds what we *do see.* Couple that with fruit fly-tier memory, and such grifts will continue until they crash & burn.
Truth
Whole I don’t think she’s blameless, the common denominator in a lot of this seems to be more Elijah than anyone. I feel sorry for her husband, who definitely did not do anything wrong.
That poor man is definitely going through it and I hope his family is helping him.
And now Shaffer family torn up too. I feel for the wife and kids, but I heard that audio of him berating her. My wife would have divorced me 45 seconds in for talking to her that way
Two grifters get got. Tell as old as time. The only thing I dislike about this is that most of the focus is on Stock while Elijah cheated with multiple women and was horrid to his wife. Why does he get a the equivalent of a footnote compared to her? This isn’t a defensive of her so much as a call to roast Elijah more.
And it needs to be said that this is the kind of trainwreck (and the train was loaded with dumpsters, which were on fire) that you get blindsided with when you wear a particular set of blinders called "no enemies to the right."