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Jamie's avatar

For those of you writers curious about Royal Road, here are some things I gleaned:

1) While they do like fantasy, and sci-fi, you will discover that isekai (think Sword Art Online, or Log Horizon) and Wuxia dominate. DOMINATE. You'll also do well if you're writing progression fantasy (which is described in ways similar to Dragon Ball Z or Bleach, where a hero has to get stronger to fight stronger enemies over time).

2) The readers do prefer male protagonists, but in my metrics I noticed a specific search FOR female protagonists, which prompted me to include this in my tags. And, by the way, several of the top stories on RR *do* have female protagonists, so don't let that deter you.

3) On a Reddit thread in r/royalroad I found out there are weirdos who don't like multi-POV stories. Which is downright surreal for a fantasy fan used to Tolkien, Terry Pratchett, Guy Gavriel Kay, GRRM, etc. Beware. I, again, use tags to indicate I have this going on.

4) That said, to borrow anime terminology, there are writers doing well posting seinen / josei works. If you're not into anime, seinen refers to older male teenagers & men, and josei refers to older female teenagers & women. As in, sophisticated and mature. I may end the comparison here, but just note that in anime / manga, the seinan & josei tags are irrespective of the sex of the protagonists.

5) Be sure to cross promote yourself on the RR forums and the r/royalroad forum on Reddit. You should have a decent cover, preferably with a person or people on it. I gather AI is a hot topic, so try and avoid. If you need cover art, and can't pay an artist, you may find what you're looking for on stock image sites such as iStockPhoto, Shutterstock, Dreamstime, Pixabay, Unsplash, etc. Use search terms such as "Fantasy, sci-fi, dreamscape, atmospheric, mystical, futuristic," etc.

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Chad Rye's avatar

I've serialized a story on there and im working on my second that have done well in my book. But I've had to run ads to get to where im at with followers. You are right about all of this. The readers on Royal Road eat that stuff up and I'm currently working on an isekai story for that platform. I've been trying to bake in as much stuff that the readers like as I can so help maximize its success.

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Night Chair's avatar

I look through Royal Road every so often for reasons. In my opinion, it has been contaminated by post-2010 fan-fics, isekai and transmigrations, progressive fantasy where the focus is on the grind instead of the characters and other things that were brought up already

I’m not saying don’t publish on Royal Road but be prepared for headaches and heartbreaks while collecting readers.

While on this subject, has anyone tried publishing on Laterpress?

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Kieran Stott's avatar

The only part I’ve yet to jump into is self promo since im still working on my serials and since they are kind of in that early draft phrase. I want to promote the serials once they’re in a better place.

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Tim Gullett's avatar

Wow. Thanks, as I just learned there is an entire site devoted to this subgenre. My Sword Mage character is inspired by isekai anime. The story is serialized on my Substack.

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Rian Stone's avatar

I've tried to find out what shord online or log Horizon was, AI, the wiki, the subreddit and no one can describe what it is. Just babble about the ot points in a disjointed manner.

Are they a specific type of story, known for certain tropes and tone?

Best I've seen is it's like a DND session written down, which is incomprehensible to me as a story.

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Jamie's avatar

It's as Ian B said; isekai are portal fantasy stories (where a character starts on Earth and ends up trapped in another world). As a genre it includes stories such as "Twelve Kingdoms", which is an anime / manga about a girl who is ripped away from Earth (along with two classmates) and finds out she's the long-lost queen of one of twelve kingdoms in another world.

But nowadays, isekai features people trapped in video games. Sword Art Online and Log Horizon are two popular examples of the "trapped in a video game" isekai. I've enjoyed Log Horizon, as the hero frequently engages in battles of wit and strategy with his friends, but I quit SAO after the second season.

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Ian b's avatar

Shortest way to explain them is they both involve stories of people getting trapped in virtual reality fantasy game worlds and they can't leave. They get all the fantasy powers of the characters they made for the mmorpg they get trapped in and have to survive/start life over. Basically hardcore escapism.

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Anonymous Dude's avatar

Guy gets transported into a massively multiplayer RPG world and has to fight to get more powerful.

Gen X and Boomer nerds grew up on Tolkien, Howard, Lovecraft, Asimov, Heinlein, and their followers like Terry Brooks, Robert Jordan, and Brandon Sanderson.

But the new generation of nerds grew up on video games—that’s their point of reference, that’s the modern-equivalent-of-pulp fiction they’re into.

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BamBoncher's avatar

thank you VERY much for the heads up! Isekai, Wuxia, Dragon Ball Z, Bleach - NONE of those are of any interest to me at all. That would tell me that Royal Road would definitely not be a fit for me or my style of fiction, since epic fantasy on the lines of Tolkien or Dragonlance along with weird west and perhaps a touch of Highlander in the future are the genres that have my love. I’m not adverse to writing a little romantasy now and then, either, but it will be clean romantasy, not spicy.

so if the recommendation these days is to be posting your fiction to such sites as royal road, but if royal road and wattpad are not good fits for my fiction, what other options do I have? I have posted some fiction here at substack but I get little to no engagement from readers. I know people are reading my fiction - at least, as much as I can know by the traffic numbers to those posts - but I get no feedback, no engagement, no one telling me what they liked, what they didn’t, do they want more of those characters, etc.

Where do I go to build an audience that will give me that sort of feedback?

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Tony's avatar

If you wrote a guide on how to start serializing a novel, I would pay for it.

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Riley C. Bolt's avatar

Kristin, I hope you forgive me but I am about to pull a First Sergeant move here.

To piggyback off what the commander...I mean Kristin, said...

When you really take a moment and look at all this, it's honestly nothing new at all. And I'm not talking just about the rise of this on the internet. The idea of serials as a popular form of fiction is at this point old as dirt. Kristin mentioned Harriet Beecher Stowe with Uncle Tom's Cabin which goes to show just how far back this goes. But most anyone who has taken the time to look will be able to identify immediately what this MOST resembles.

This is the pulps all over again. This is the modern day equivalent of waiting for your weekly hit of The Shadow printed in Detective Story Magazine back in the 1930s. We've gone full circle folks, what's old is new again. And I for one am here for it.

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An Actor Explains's avatar

Thanks for the wonderful post.

It's actually worse than what you're presenting: market entities, such as publishers, are leaning politically for brownie points. That means they're choosing race & gender DEI representatives over competent white female or male authors only because it looks good, socially. That's not authoring & that's not proper marketing. What it is, is prejudice.

Capable writers should be chosen for their talent and capacity, instead of the color of their skin. The science fiction genre has become a social activist circle, with almost all titles leaning towards political agendas, instead of the exploration of science & frontier that the genre was meant to be. That's because corporate America is more concerned with social laddering and moral positioning than with actual respect for art and entertainment.

Make no mistake: greed is behind these evils. There's no real concern for race & gender here, and no respect for franchise or intellectual property. Our industry has become a parade of make pretend social activism that emotionally toys with consumers. How we can move beyond this point towards a market that truly honors genre and creativity seems to be anyone's guess.

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SomeUserName's avatar

Pro comment. DEI is probably why it seems like there are never any good books for a straight white male to read anymore.

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Georgi Boorman's avatar

Sticking this idea in my back pocket. Not convinced full-serial is right for me. I want to suck readers in for long stretches, to be the escape from this fragmented, hectic world that keeps them up past bedtime. But I am investing in audiobooks, because then you can escape while walking, or folding laundry, and that is glorious.

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Kristin McTiernan's avatar

Yes, audiobooks can be an ideal adaptation for more traditional novels. People still want the book experience, only while they do other things. I’m a big audio fan

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Tony's avatar

@Kristin are serial audiobooks a thing?

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Kristin McTiernan's avatar

Ive heard of authors releasing their novel chapters as podcasts on Spotify or YouTube, so yes I think that would qualify!

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Peter Brickwood's avatar

See Jill Bearup on YouTube -- Just Stab Me Now started as a serialized story on YT and was written in response to subscriber demand -- also great fun as the author argues with the story author who argues with the story characters.

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Tony's avatar

Did I just invent serial audiobooks?!

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Jamie's avatar

Oooh! I began a Royal Road experiment last year. I stumbled backwards into when I came upon Graphtreon, which shows what writers were making from Patreon. Royal Road writers have a high presence on Patreon, and when I dug deeper I noticed at least one established indie writer posted work on RR, too (Michael J. Sullivan, for those curious). I don't intend to serialize forever, but RR looks like a viable option for building a fan base.

I was going to be very analytical in my experiment; I even have the pro-tier subscription so I can see and study metrics. However, my experiment was derailed by a job change--I work so many hours now I barely have any time to write. Which meant that once I finished uploading my "backlog" (the chapters I'd already written) I had to drop my thrice-weekly posting schedule and write only for a few hours on the weekend. I'm trying desperately to re-learn how to write as I did in high school, when I could write in 5 minute - to half hour bursts during attendance or downtime in classes. But I have so much more pulling on my time now ...

Re: Patreon, I probably should have attempted to dip my toes in it from the beginning (I thought you needed a certain threshold of readers first). But I've held back because I knew they were changing their subscription model from one that seemed most attractive to me, where you get paid per "work" rather than per month. That said, I did take notes on the rewards and tiers a diverse array of authors offered. Diverse as in, some are full time novelists, some are "midlist" authors, some are RR-serializers, etc. I made a whole spreadsheet about their Patreon offerings!

Anyway, in my research on Royal Road I was looking for insight from a writer who is business savvy and experimenting with Royal Road and is *posting about it*. Didn't find one last year ... and now here you are. I'll look for you on RR, and I'm hoping you keep us updated on how things go for you.

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Kristin McTiernan's avatar

I actually serialize right here on Substack :) since I’m already set up here, and thrillers don’t seem as popular on RR, I am giving Substack serials a try https://www.serialjourneys.com

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Jamie's avatar

Okay, now I'm thinking I need to take a closer look at Substack. For some reason I thought of it as a platform geared for non-fiction. And I should have read your post more closely: you never said you were on Royal Road. Sorry! So I should definitely not look for you there :) I'm now subbed to your novel, and wishing you luck!

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Rian Stone's avatar

It's just en email newsletter service with Twitter slapped on

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Robert Cruze's avatar

Best thing is, once a web novel is finished, you can put it all together, buff out the rough edges from serialization, and then sell it as a complete ebook -- a "fix-up novel." Especially since an ebook is just a bunch of webpages (html files) compiled into a format your ereader can display.

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Light of Meaning's avatar

I got into webnovels a couple of years ago through a website called wuxiaworld.com. It publishes mostly, if not entirely, wuxia or xianxia which are Chinese fantasy novels. I have no idea what the words mean or what the difference is though.

The problem I had with webnovels, and the reason that I stopped reading them, is exactly as you said: they're repetitive. I just didn't see why the authors kept repeating the same information over and over in every chapter, but I guess I was one of the few people binge reading to catch up rather than reading weekly.

I was used read big books like The Wheel of Time and read these with the same mindset. In the end it put me off from webnovels. That and the fact that they all copy each other, so not only is one novel repetitive, every novel repeats what every other author has already written.

It's not exactly the place one goes for originality.

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Jay's avatar

Just read the first two chapters -- great! You got me to try web novels. I've enjoyed serialized fiction before (it was the premier format for great literary figures like Dickens, and the Golden Age science fiction novels first appeared in SF pulps), but not in this digital, subscription model. Who knows, this old-timer may change his ways! (I'm still buying paperbacks out the yin-yang -- cold, dead, fingers and all that).

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Kristin McTiernan's avatar

Thanks!

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Jason Chastain's avatar

🏆🏆 Thank you for educating me on a new reading format/platform. I didn’t know that this was even a thing. And now that I think about it, the book series I’m writing will be published in books. But I thought of writing much smaller novels as prequel to the story later and those might be perfect for that format. You’ve definitely given me food for thought. 😁

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BamBoncher's avatar

I'm interested, but at the same time, how does one really monetize something? I don't mind throwing up a short story for free on Substack once in a while, and I do want an audience, but at the same time, getting paid a little is also kind of nice instead of just putting everything I do up for free - especially my own universes. I've written fan fiction in years gone by, but I'd like to rise to the level above that.

Also, I've had people give me the explanation for how it works at Royal Road and how you have to be constantly throwing things up to keep reader's attention, and I honestly don't have that sort of time or creative energy, not with all the other demands on my very limited supply of either. And in all honesty, I'm not interested in writing LitrRPG or Gamelit which is what I've been told is really the only thing that gets much attention on Royal Road?

So how does one get noticed enough to get readers? And, how do I get back more than just a pat on the back for the time, heart, and soul I poured into the story to begin with? Especially something that I want to be as high a quality as I can make it, and not just fan fiction level writing?

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Kristin McTiernan's avatar

I’ve gotten some comments on YouTube from RoyalRoad authors. The model they use is a tip jar while serializing; then when the book is done, selling it on Amazon and their RR readers will buy the completed book, boosting it in the algo and driving sales to new readers

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BamBoncher's avatar

A question I know my husband is going to ask:

How do you protect your work if you are putting it up for free on such services? how do you keep someone from stealing the idea or the whole story and publishing it as their own before you, or stealing your characters?

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Kristin McTiernan's avatar

Honestly? You don't. Once your work is available (including in ebook form on Amazon), it is open to theft and piracy, both in whole and in part (characters, plot lines). All any author can do is remain vigilant and be ready with a take down notice

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BamBoncher's avatar

Is there a place I could go to find where these Web Novels are posted? I’ve heard of Watt Pad and royal road, but I don’t think what I want to write fits those areas. I had seen you mention in a previous article there were more places than just royal road which is the only one I’ve ever had recommended; where could I go to find others?

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Rian Stone's avatar

People could rewrite Sherlock homes right now, yet no one does.

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BamBoncher's avatar

I would disagree. Just a quick one page search on Amazon turned up 2 authors writing Holmes today. It may not be prolific, but it is being done. Just like authors are writing Conan stories too.

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Peter Brickwood's avatar

Ditto Jill Bearup -- she cleared her mortgage on the income from presales.

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Scott Brooks's avatar

I am serializing a finished novel here on Substack, but looking to do it concurrently on other platforms.

Can you direct me to a tutorial on how you created that “keep reading” button?

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Kristin McTiernan's avatar

The image I just created on Canva, then hyperlinked it to the next entry.

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Scott Brooks's avatar

Oh!!! Thanks !

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Craig's avatar

Thank you, Kristin; very cool!

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Nolen Boe's avatar

I love the idea of serializing, I don't have time to pump out a whole book in one sitting. Serializing helps me buy time to think and write, and finish.

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William Hunter Duncan's avatar

I read a book on the last flight I was on and felt like people were suspicious of me, lol.

I'm going to hand bind my own books and market them myself.

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Joseph L. Wiess's avatar

So, which would you suggest: Wattpad or royal Road for Fantasy/Romance novels?

I've got five novels just sitting on Amazon and other sites that aren't being read.

I want people to read them and enjoy them.

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